I was just watching the news yesterday, and the Philly police chief was threatening ICE, more than likely in defense of her local fraudsters and their beneficiaries.
Frankly, financial auditors need to do a deep dive colonoscopy on the politicians making threatening statements against ICE, and those politicians' families, to "follow the money." 🤷♂️
THIS is the very reason for the 72 hour "rule". If anyone is talking about motivation's or politics or anything other than "this thing happened, authorities are investigating" then they are using "spin". This is the problem with "Info-tainment" vs. actual journalism. Well said, Sir.
I've said before: This is a tragedy with 2 victims. The woman who made extremely bad decisions based on her political ideology AND the officer forced to defend his life based on her bad decisions.
One dead, with surviving loved ones. One alive, with the experience of having to kill to stay alive and his loved ones.
That's why we say: FAFO & Play stupid games, wind stupid prizes.
The dead woman's survivors are victims of her. She herself is not a victim of anyone but herself. She put herself (or allowed herself to be talked into putting herself) into the position of blocking the way with her SUV, and she made the decisions that led to the final result.
For the record, my sympathy lies with the officer. He was forced to take action with severe consequences, that action will remain his for the rest of his life.
The protestor should have realized what she was doing was illegal, her "wife" dismissed the reasonable actions of the ICE agents, and you just don't run people over with vehicles (unless placed in reasonable fear that they will harm you).
Never trained to only fire once. Trained to shoot until the perp was incapacitated. No, one shot was not in his training. Additionally, the "attempted" homicide allows, indeed demands lethal force as a response if nothing else is available.
No, he could not have moved quicker. Try it yourself.
I feel bad for the officer and the family of the decedent, but not for her. She made her decision and paid the price. Too bad more of the "protesters" don't take this message to heart. FAFO is definitely real.
They actually believe that paying such a price will further their cause sufficiently that said price would be worth it...of course, they also believe that it could never happen to them, because the concept of "actions have consequences" is not in their wheelhouse...
""Do you think ‘you’ could have gotten out of the way quicker? Or stopped after one round?""
primus: NO! just watching how the tires were reacting even on what first appears to be dry pavement, and then to how the Agent was being pushed back with his feet apparently planted, that road was as slick as cat poop on a tile floor, and retreat or evasion were NOT options.
secundus: First rule of carry: DO NOT draw your weapon unless you are in fear of life or grievous injury and are prepared to use it. After that, follow Cooper's Laws. From there, the next rule is "Do not stop shooting until all of the threats have been neutralized."
Based on some of the other cases I have reviewed, both in the ED and as a Deputy Coroner, well trained civilians are far more likely to fire four or fewer shots in that kind of situation, while all but the highest level Armed Police Officers, including State Troopers and Federal Agents, are far more likely to shoot their weapons dry. That he was the only one who fired, and he stopped firing after only three shots speaks well of the training and conditioning of that team of Agents, and especially the Agent involved.
I do find myself wondering why we haven't heard anything about body camera footage from the
two Agents immediately on scene. It bothers me that the Agent involved felt he had to run his own cell phone camera to record what was going on.
I'm not sure if ICE wears body cameras. It seems like there were plenty of people there recording events though. Personally, I'd like to see all the uncut/unedited videos from everyone there. We probably won't get that until well after the investigation though.
One of the witnesses said, IIRC, that she was woken up by a commotion outside and went to the window to find the Honda Pilot blocking both lanes of traffic. It would be very informative to see video of events leading up to the this whole FUBAR.
And we now have more video showing the minutes immediately leading up to the shooting, courtesy of Dustin Grage https://x dot com/GrageDustin/status/2010037103665787019 that adds a little more perspective.
IF field agents of DHS do NOT have body cameras to wear AND the mandate to use them all of the time, THEN something has been wrong at DHS for a very long time, as this is the sort of thing that might be able to pierce the Immunity clause when the supposed Good Guys and Gals are caught doing bad things by civilian and surveillance cameras.
I'd love to see all law enforcement, at every level, have body cameras. As the equipment gets smaller, and storage space gets cheaper, I'd actually like to see multiple cameras covering various angles for every officer and every vehicle.
The mob museum in downtown Vegas has a simulator for police threat training. They let (at least they used to) civilians run the course. I got humbled quickly. And I would like to apologize to the simulated family of the simulated convenience store clerk. But I simulated died twice.
I honestly believe her wife expected her to be shot and killed.
It was a complete set up and either she was willing to die a martyr, or she was just too stupid to realize she had been set up by her wife to die.
Look at the school she put her kids in. One where they're pretty much being taught to be martyrs.
The best quote I've heard about this was from Adam Carolla: 'We've weaponized women'. He totally believes it was a setup as well.
Yup, it looks like Ms. Good was cannon fodder.
The common end for useful idiots..
Yup, Eric, it's always "Contra la pared, imbécil" after the revolution.
Once they've served their purpose, they become a liability, and liabilities must go...
I was just watching the news yesterday, and the Philly police chief was threatening ICE, more than likely in defense of her local fraudsters and their beneficiaries.
Frankly, financial auditors need to do a deep dive colonoscopy on the politicians making threatening statements against ICE, and those politicians' families, to "follow the money." 🤷♂️
THIS is the very reason for the 72 hour "rule". If anyone is talking about motivation's or politics or anything other than "this thing happened, authorities are investigating" then they are using "spin". This is the problem with "Info-tainment" vs. actual journalism. Well said, Sir.
I've said before: This is a tragedy with 2 victims. The woman who made extremely bad decisions based on her political ideology AND the officer forced to defend his life based on her bad decisions.
One dead, with surviving loved ones. One alive, with the experience of having to kill to stay alive and his loved ones.
That's why we say: FAFO & Play stupid games, wind stupid prizes.
I must disagree, Tom, to some extent.
The dead woman's survivors are victims of her. She herself is not a victim of anyone but herself. She put herself (or allowed herself to be talked into putting herself) into the position of blocking the way with her SUV, and she made the decisions that led to the final result.
For the record, my sympathy lies with the officer. He was forced to take action with severe consequences, that action will remain his for the rest of his life.
The protestor should have realized what she was doing was illegal, her "wife" dismissed the reasonable actions of the ICE agents, and you just don't run people over with vehicles (unless placed in reasonable fear that they will harm you).
Never trained to only fire once. Trained to shoot until the perp was incapacitated. No, one shot was not in his training. Additionally, the "attempted" homicide allows, indeed demands lethal force as a response if nothing else is available.
No, he could not have moved quicker. Try it yourself.
I feel bad for the officer and the family of the decedent, but not for her. She made her decision and paid the price. Too bad more of the "protesters" don't take this message to heart. FAFO is definitely real.
They actually believe that paying such a price will further their cause sufficiently that said price would be worth it...of course, they also believe that it could never happen to them, because the concept of "actions have consequences" is not in their wheelhouse...
""Do you think ‘you’ could have gotten out of the way quicker? Or stopped after one round?""
primus: NO! just watching how the tires were reacting even on what first appears to be dry pavement, and then to how the Agent was being pushed back with his feet apparently planted, that road was as slick as cat poop on a tile floor, and retreat or evasion were NOT options.
secundus: First rule of carry: DO NOT draw your weapon unless you are in fear of life or grievous injury and are prepared to use it. After that, follow Cooper's Laws. From there, the next rule is "Do not stop shooting until all of the threats have been neutralized."
Based on some of the other cases I have reviewed, both in the ED and as a Deputy Coroner, well trained civilians are far more likely to fire four or fewer shots in that kind of situation, while all but the highest level Armed Police Officers, including State Troopers and Federal Agents, are far more likely to shoot their weapons dry. That he was the only one who fired, and he stopped firing after only three shots speaks well of the training and conditioning of that team of Agents, and especially the Agent involved.
I do find myself wondering why we haven't heard anything about body camera footage from the
two Agents immediately on scene. It bothers me that the Agent involved felt he had to run his own cell phone camera to record what was going on.
I'm not sure if ICE wears body cameras. It seems like there were plenty of people there recording events though. Personally, I'd like to see all the uncut/unedited videos from everyone there. We probably won't get that until well after the investigation though.
One of the witnesses said, IIRC, that she was woken up by a commotion outside and went to the window to find the Honda Pilot blocking both lanes of traffic. It would be very informative to see video of events leading up to the this whole FUBAR.
And we now have more video showing the minutes immediately leading up to the shooting, courtesy of Dustin Grage https://x dot com/GrageDustin/status/2010037103665787019 that adds a little more perspective.
IF field agents of DHS do NOT have body cameras to wear AND the mandate to use them all of the time, THEN something has been wrong at DHS for a very long time, as this is the sort of thing that might be able to pierce the Immunity clause when the supposed Good Guys and Gals are caught doing bad things by civilian and surveillance cameras.
I'd love to see all law enforcement, at every level, have body cameras. As the equipment gets smaller, and storage space gets cheaper, I'd actually like to see multiple cameras covering various angles for every officer and every vehicle.
The mob museum in downtown Vegas has a simulator for police threat training. They let (at least they used to) civilians run the course. I got humbled quickly. And I would like to apologize to the simulated family of the simulated convenience store clerk. But I simulated died twice.
Based on the video you've shown, looks like a pretty clear case of self defense..